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Technical Analysis: The Great Debate Takes Center Stage

by Mick Weinstein

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Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008, 12:00AM
Are 'support and resistance' settings on your gym's Nautilus or reasons for you to buy and sell stocks?

Do you get excited about a 'cup and handle' - or only when it's holding your steaming morning joe?

While the market continues to flounder, an interesting and constructive debate erupted this week between two of the financial blogosphere's brightest stars. The topic: technical analysis of stock charts.

It began when Felix Salmon, who writes the outstanding 'Market Movers' blog for Portfolio.com, found the inimitable Jim Cramer urging his CNBC "Mad Money" viewers on June 13th to "buy, buy, buy!" stocks based on a certain reading on a technical tool called the "S&P 500 oscillator." Cramer encouraged his minions to purchase financials, tech and homebuilders in particular - a call that, ahem, didn't turn out so well over the past couple of weeks. The Great Booyah himself backtracked on it just a few days later.

Salmon took both Cramer and his "oscillator" to task: "Whenever you hear words like ‘overbought' or ‘oversold' or ‘momentum' or ‘support' or ‘resistance,' it means that whatever you're hearing is garbage. But it also means that the person you're listening to has no idea what's about to happen, and is therefore resorting to the financial equivalent of astrology."

Salmon then brought fund manager Barry Ritholtz - author of the popular Big Picture blog - into the fray: "[S]tock traders don't know anything," said Salmon. "It's not just Cramer, is the point. They all do it: even much smarter and much more analytical traders like Barry Ritholtz do it... [resorting] to ‘technical analysis,' which is the art of drawing lines on charts and extrapolating from them what the market is going to do next... If you don't have any bright ideas about which way the market is going...the smart and sensible route is to say ‘I don't have any bright ideas about which way the market is going.' The dumb route is to get out your charts and start making predictions on the strength of technical analysis."

Ritholtz - who, besides managing money, is CEO of a company that provides stock-indicator software based on technical and fundamental factors - responded: "I cannot put aside the fact that Cramer is not, and has never been, any sort of technician... [yet] we do not dismiss medicine because accountants cannot do open heart surgery, so it seems odd to use a bad call of Cramer's -- a self-admitted non-technician -- as proof that technicals are worthless."

"Technicals are not magic," continued Ritholtz. "They are not a way to forecast the future, nor are they a guarantee of future profits... Technicals can be, however, far less squishy than fundamentals. There is as much art as science in the application of TA. That some people are lousy technicians proves only that it requires skill... I posit that charts and data provide tremendous insight, if used appropriately... the bottom line is that TA is merely a tool, albeit one used more skillfully by some than others."

Salmon replied with a call for results: "[W]ho are the investors who consistently underperform the market? Do they happen to be exactly or even mostly the same as the group of people who don't use technical analysis? It seems improbable, to say the least, especially given the fact that celebrated investors like Warren Buffett and Peter Lynch loudly and frequently declare that they think technical analysis is bullshit."

"Insofar as technical analysis is any better than pure guesswork or astrology," Salmon continued, "I think it works as a way of gauging market sentiment and psychology. But here's the problem: everything in technical analysis seems to work backwards. No one ever seems to start from first principles and make predictions of what would happen to price-and-volume charts when sentiment does this or does that... As any quant fund will tell you, those kind of models work until they don't. Meanwhile, the technical-analysis crew seems to think that they're dealing with immutable, permanent, semi-scientific probabilistic laws. In the markets, there's no such thing."

A Question of Personality and Time Horizon?

For Bill Luby, an investor and blogger who focuses on market volatility, the Salmon-Ritholtz debate revolves around a matter that "each investor has to struggle with, usually a number of times over the course of his or her investing lifetime...I find it hard to believe that the high court of investment strategy will ever rule in favor of one approach at the expense of the other... Part of the reason investors gravitate to one approach or the other is that it fits their personality and provides a certain level of comfort."

"To my thinking, the most important determinant of whether to focus on fundamentals or technical analysis is one's investment time horizon," says Luby. "[T]he shorter the time horizon, the more important technical analysis becomes. Find me a day trader, for instance, that invests primarily based on fundamental factors. On the flip side, find me a chartist who is looking at monthly charts covering more than a decade who does not think it is important to be educated on some of the relevant fundamentals that are driving the long-term price action."

Dr. Declan Fallon at the Zignalsblog weighed in on the debate: "It is wrong to assume all technical analysis is based on chart watching... Technical analysis is not financial astrology, but is a tool to study the psychology of human participants in a collective marketplace.... only by studying past behavior can we gauge what current participants may (or may not) do in the market. Technical analysis is a science and an art. If it was a pure science, then quants would rule the day."

Fallon advocates combined use of technicals and fundamentals: "Many technicians avoid using fundamentals, but doing so is like looking at the market with one eye. Fundamentals provide a whole new set of tools which marry perfectly with technicals."

The value of technical analysis a longstanding debate among investors and professional market participants - and it won't be resolved anytime soon. But, as in any debate, clarifying the underlying principles is helpful. What are your thoughts on the value of technical analysis? Have your say in comments below.

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  • christopher.jfw1 - Saturday, July 26, 2008, 4:13AM ET  Report Abuse

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    Technical analysts crack me up. The only reason a stock forms a certain chart pattern is because its a reflection of the fundamentals. Dont get me wrong, for day traders fundamental analysis is uselss, but then again, day trading is useless. Short term trading is totally useless. The problem arises not only with commissions which will wreak your account, but short term capital gains taxes. Do the math and youll see that you basically need to double your returns just to match a buy and hold strategy. Its sad but there is a whole industry out there that just wants your commission dollars and loves "ACTION" in the market. Havent you forgot that investing mean buying companies. Yes, you have to read financial statements and do a lot of reading. Yes, it takes years of practice. If technical analysis worked, everyone who opened a trading account online would be rich. Its a fallacy and TA is the lazy peoples way of investing. It will work only enough to make you win a few times only to keep losing your capital little by little. Do this amazing exercise. Its insane. Double a dollar every year and after each year, pay a short term 30% capital gain tax (usually its more). After 20 years your left with around 40k.(somewhere around there). Now double a dollar every year, never realize a tax burden until the last year. Take a 15% long term capital gain tax. Your left with over 700k. You see the power of taxes! Short term you think it doesnt matter, but over the long term that is how you build great wealth. TA only churns accounts and makes brokers happy. Same with all the options nonsesne.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday, July 17, 2008, 5:52AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    Again with this writer??? What in the world was this article about????

  • John U - Monday, July 14, 2008, 3:23PM ET  Report Abuse

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    I agree that TA is a tool. It is a tool to make money for financial analysts and advisers to rationalize higher fees to their victims... er... I mean clients. Let's see some technician beat a good index fund or ETF held for a 10 year period after you include the fees commissions trading costs and tax consequences. Take a stand please Mick.

  • Kiker - Thursday, July 10, 2008, 1:55PM ET  Report Abuse

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    I think this article does a pretty decent job at bringing the issue to light, however it really didn't solve whether TA is mere fantasy. As the previous post mentions, FA is just as mysterious as TA. While I do not believe that in any respects, their comment certainly accented the disposition that both camps maintain. The reality is, neither camp is particularly adept at forecasting, as both merely draw on past data to predict future events. And while the article addresses big name investors like Warren and Peter, neither of these investors firmly entrench themselves into a camp. The real value of sound investing is maintaining an accurate macroscopic assessment of the market and the overall economy. If you have your eye on the big picture, sprinkled with some experience, than you are in a far better position at employing FA and TA with sound results. By themselves, these tools are worthless; akin to hammer and nails but no wood.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, July 7, 2008, 2:05PM ET  Report Abuse

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    So, fundamental analysts estimate Future Earning based on Past Earning trend. Then estimate future P/E based on Past P/E trend. Finally, Future P = Future E * Future P/E. But, when technical analysts estimate Future Price based on Past Price trend, everyone thinks they are using Voodoo? They just monitor shifting price trends produced by the fundamental fund managers and investors. Watch the money if you will. There's nothing mysterious above TA. BTW, TA in U.S. started some 40 years before fundamental analysis. TA began about 300yr ago in Japan. Don't let a few bad quasi-technicians give TA a bad name. TA takes a lot more hard work than most people realize.

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